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More UAW Locals Vote Down Ford Deal
By Dee-Ann Durbin and Tom Krisher, AP Auto Writers
Manufacturing.Net - October 30, 2009

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DETROIT (AP) -- Workers at two more United Auto Workers locals overwhelmingly rejected changes to their contract with Ford Motor Co. on Thursday, casting further doubt on whether the deal will be approved.

Workers at a parts-making plant in Saline, Mich., west of Detroit, voted 75 percent against the deal, while research and engineering employees in Dearborn, Mich., voted roughly 90 percent against the deal, according to local union officials and tallies posted on a Web site.

An exact count of the votes so far was not available Thursday night, but at least eight UAW locals representing about 12,500 workers have voted down the deal, many overwhelmingly. Only about four locals with a total of 7,000 members have favored the pact.

Ford sought the deal to bring its labor costs in line with Detroit rivals Chrysler Group LLC and General Motors Co., both of which won concessions from the union as they headed into bankruptcy protection earlier this year. If it fails, the Dearborn-based automaker will have higher labor costs than competitors and therefore a tougher time consistently turning a profit.

Ford is the only Detroit-area automaker to avoid bankruptcy protection and not take aid from the U.S. government. But it has a far higher debt load than Chrysler and GM, and higher labor costs could hurt efforts to make a comeback.

Friday likely is a key day of voting on the agreement, with large locals at factories in Louisville, Ky., and Dearborn, Mich., to finish up balloting. The Louisville local has roughly 5,000 workers, while the Dearborn local has about 8,000 who work for Ford. Some elected leaders of the Dearborn local have opposed the pact, and the local is the center of the opposition.

Ford has a total of 41,000 workers represented by the UAW in the United States.

Rocky Comito, president of the Louisville local, said the vote was too close to call at this point.

"It's a mixed bag," Comito said Wednesday. "I couldn't call it."

At meetings held to explain the deal, workers objected to a limit on the right to strike and questioned why Ford was seeking further changes now when the union already changed the contract once in February, Comito said. Workers also approved a new contract with concessions in 2007, and made health care concessions in 2005.

The Louisville local is so important that UAW President Ron Gettelfinger campaigned for the agreement there last weekend. He started his career at the local, which represents workers at the Kentucky Truck and Louisville Assembly plants. Both plants have received assurances of future work from the company.

Ford and UAW leaders agreed to make another round of changes to their 2007 labor agreement two weeks ago, bringing Ford in line with labor cost cuts already agreed to at GM and Chrysler. But workers must ratify the changes for them to go into effect.

Workers would get a $1,000 bonus if the deal is ratified, but the proposal also would freeze entry-level wages and require some skilled-trades workers to do more than one job. The union also agreed not to strike Ford if the two sides disagree on wage or benefit increases, although the UAW could still strike over other issues.

Gettelfinger has said that the deal saves 7,000 union jobs with new product commitments at several assembly plants that also will help factories that make auto components.

"The membership has spoken," Mark Caruso, president of the 1,800-member Saline local, said shortly after his members rejected the deal. The Saline plant, now in a holding company set up by Ford for plants it is preparing to sell, received a promise of additional work in the latest contract changes.

Workers at factories in Claycomo, Mo., and Livonia, Plymouth, Sterling Heights, Flat Rock, Ypsilanti Township, Mich., have rejected the deal thus far. Locals in Wayne, Mich.; Cleveland; Indianapolis and St. Paul, Minn., have voted in favor.

Voting is scheduled to end by Monday.


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Unions  10/30/2009 11:24:00 AM
Their time has come and gone... With the advances in communications (Phone, TV, Internet, etc.) they are now just a leech on any industry.
Put em all on the street  10/30/2009 11:30:00 AM
I say it's time to put an end to unions holding companies hostage because they are too greedy to see the big picture. The UAW president undersatnds that if they don't change with the times the UAW will become extinct with the big 3 automakers. The uneducated workers that never took or attended an economics course in H.S. don't have a grasp of what the contract changes are. they are simple minded fools that follow the local leaders. They should wonder why the non union plants are turning profits and keeping people employed. When you let the fox guard the chicken house don't be surprised when you don't have any chickens at the end of the day.
There's still time . . .  10/30/2009 11:31:00 AM
for the unions to kill the one car company that didn't mismanage itself into the sewer. With Toyota, Honda, BMW, VW and others building plants in this country, why do we need American car companies anyways? Let the unions kill the goose. Then they can wait in line to get a job at one of these other plants.
They just don't get it do they?  10/30/2009 11:31:00 AM
These union pigs just don't see the damage they have done. Now they want to destroy the last of the formaer big 3 with there demands for more and more. Those days are over. To remain competitive and even in business, the unions need to realize they are a major part of the problem and that the gravy train is over.
Labor unions   10/30/2009 11:34:00 AM
A large part of the reason the US government owns Chrysler and GM is due to years of inflated union contracts and perks. Now the union wants to push Ford into bankruptcy. Maybe that's because the unions figure their Demo buddies in Congress will pay them off. Can you give me a better reason to buy a foreign made vehicle??
It's all about the POWER, not the workers!  10/30/2009 11:43:00 AM
Unions are all about power and control, not helping workers. The NEA clearly voiced this in California. There never was a time when unions were "needed". The free market would have eliminated sweat shops over time and kept costs down as well. It's POWER and MONEY, not people, that guide union greed and largesse!
Wonder If Rank & File Ever Sees These Posts  10/30/2009 11:52:00 AM
I have to wonder if these posts are ever seen by the typical rank and file union member? Unfortunately, most of us are preaching to the choir!
Unions in the U.S.  10/30/2009 11:58:00 AM
The unions are determined to destroy our country and drive all manufacturing from the U.S. . They just don't get it, and the Democrats keep trying to please them.
And the Unions wonder why  10/30/2009 12:00:00 PM
And the Unions wonder why manufacturers want to move to Mexico, or other countries where labor will not strangle and bankrupt them. I am sure the Unions are hoping to get 60% of Ford when they are forced into BK by the Unions.
If the UAW holds out, they'll own Ford  10/30/2009 12:01:00 PM
Just like Uncle Sam did for the UAW at GM and Crysler. So why concede? Once Ford goes broke, Obama will fix it up with public money, and give it to the union.
It's best for the worker  10/30/2009 12:04:00 PM
It will probably take Ford 3 to 7 years to get to the point that they have to take out bankruptcy to get there payroll in line with there competitors. The workers can ride the company down and maximize there return (Pay). Lord known that is what the management of the auto companies - particularly GM - did to help kill USA autos. So why would the union want to look at it any other way? If we do not want capitalism the unions are a short cut to socialism. Just Micheal Moore suggests in his new movie. Socialism in the new capitalism! If we can reduce every one to the lowest level of motivation or thinking then the dumbing down of America will be complete! Then ONLY the politicians will have power, and power is the name of the game! GO UNIONS!!!
Unions  10/30/2009 12:07:00 PM
The unions did not kill the car companies ! It takes two to dance. Everybody thinks UAW members are dumb uneducated people. I know for a fact that many have college degrees, both associates and bachelors. When times were 'fat' the car companies were willing to and did agree to give the unions certain provisions. Now everybody blames the union ? What about the mentality of the car companies building things no one wanted to buy ? Cheap, squeaky boxes to maximize profit. Its time to wake up AMERICA !! If our people can not afford to buy the things they make, WE (the U.S.A.) will quickly become a third world country.
The UAW intends (with Obama's full support)...  10/30/2009 12:10:00 PM
The pus Ford in bankruptcy. The Chicago mod (the Obama Administration) will bail out Ford and give 82% of the stock to the UAW. It is a plan right out of the Communist Manifesto (Karl Marx) game book.
THIS COUNTRY...  10/30/2009 12:11:00 PM
IS TOAST!
Yes, blame the unions...  10/30/2009 12:14:00 PM
If you crap in your own nest long enough, it will start to stink - duh!!!
Now there are no American cars to buy...  10/30/2009 12:20:00 PM
Only conservatives buy American cars, which left Ford as the last company which to buy from. But this screws that. Now we can only buy Foreign cars made in the US.
Armageddon of sorts?  10/30/2009 12:30:00 PM
This is just a snapshot of what Armageddon will be like. In the end of time as law and order give way to anarchy I assume there will be many people ravaging what's left and they will move on from those who have until they have no more to those who have some left. Likewise the UAW has ravaged through GM and Chrysler and now sets its eyes on Ford. If as mentioned above in three years they eat their way through Ford then don't be surprised to see them going towards Toyota and Honda. "The membership has spoken," they say this as though it's a democratic process. Fear and intimidation are how they keep the membership in line. For the last few months I was very happy to see Ford survive what GM and Chrysler did not. Too bad.
UAW   10/30/2009 12:32:00 PM
I guess pattern contracts don't work in reverse. Hey Mr Ford, bring those plants down here to Mississippi because these folks will gladly take that offer.
Wrong direction!  10/30/2009 1:06:00 PM
GM,Chrysler should had not started these habits pay too high for the unione employees. Now What? it is mess! It is desaster- . Let them explain it. WHO MADE THE UNION? UAW IS NOW SQUISH.. HUH HUH.. WHAT GO AROUND IT'S COME AROUND...
Unions  10/30/2009 1:16:00 PM
I agree that the unions are hurting the auto manufactures, but lets look at the the high ranking exec's getting millions of dollars in bonus's and perks. They have to back off also.
re: Unions in the US  10/30/2009 1:26:00 PM
If you look closely, you can tell the Democrats have no intention of pleasing the unions. Sure, they pay lip service and say they are for the worker, and the high up leadership, being more loyal to the Democratic elite than to their own union members, lead the sheep along. From my point of view, the Democrats have done more to eliminate the unions and send jobs overseas than the Republicans. After the democratic lame ducks passed GATT and NAFTA in 1994 I was surprised more unions didn't refuse to back Clinton in 1996, but they just followed their leaders.
Fine bunch of ....  10/30/2009 1:49:00 PM
That the readers of these webpages seemed to be all right wing case nuts is nothing new. So what are you saying ... "exploitation is good for workers", "unions are bad as they stand up to their members interest" (and as I see it - these interests are actually in the interest of the middel class, sorry that you don't get it) The truth is that Wal-mart style economy has shipped jobs oversees, exploits the workers day-by-day to make everyone poorer - If the workers don't fight that greedy GOP business mantra of "cheap is everything", then this country is toast indeed, not the other way around! US employees are so weak in telling management no! and stop here!, that the only club they might find themselves in is the line at the soup kitchen that the folks from upper management gladly keep open for them ... The majority of politicians Democrats & and all Rebublicans are in the pocket of big business - so why argue any differences. This country will choke on the greed of the business leaders! Solidarity to the Unions, their members and all couragious workers who say no to the greedy exploitation of their companies!
ford unions  10/30/2009 1:50:00 PM
Do the Ford workers want Obama to Ford, Looks like it Unbeliveable thinking on the unions and the workers.
Losers!  10/30/2009 2:16:00 PM
Ford should follow Boeing's lead and move jobs elsewhere. Union - 0, Non-union, 1. Come on Ford!!!
Let them eat nuts and bolts  10/30/2009 2:28:00 PM
Move the entire operation to Honduras -helping those poor people and giving "Unionize or else" America what it deserves -employees seeking the jobs they once had but drove away!
S*** on the Workers, the same old refrain  10/30/2009 3:12:00 PM
It is amazing that the readership of this website must be card carrying members of the Limbaugh "Ditto Heads of America." Workers in this country have been bent over for the good of the company. It started in the 80's with TQM, which loosely translated means "taking it up the gazoo to keep the senior execs in their bonuses." Since that time it has been concession after concession. It is now at a point, that new worker at an American Auto Plant cannot make enough to purchase the products he or she make. Amazing, in less than 100 years, we have went from a idea to pay the workers enough to participate by buying the products that they make, to the new one, workers be dammed, starve! I have a wake-up call for you'all, with out a working middle class, there will be no recovery ever!
Free-markets and responsibility  10/30/2009 3:32:00 PM
This is just the tip of the iceburg folks. Now you see what happens when the government meddles in the free markets and panders to what they see as large voting blocks (not hard-working everyday people...but large voting blocks). They drag the healthy down with the weak, they reward failure and punish success, they invest in votes rather than hard work and self-sufficiency. You don't think that Obama and Congress knew EXACTLY what would happen to the one remaining American automobile company once they took over GM and Chrysler and handed large chunks of them over to the unions? Now they are going to do the same to the healthcare industry and energy industries in short order. We need to wake up if we want to save free-market capitalism and that starts with EVERYBODY taking what freedoms we have left and not abusing them and giving the liberal socialists any more ammo to finish off the one thing that makes this country great. God gave us freedom and free will, but it is up to us to use it compassionately and wisely, or we lose it and evrything this country once symbolized. Fighting greed and corruption with more greed and more corruption is not the answer.
how perverse ...  10/30/2009 3:45:00 PM
that you can resist change until you kill another company, and then be rewarded by part ownership, via other American workers' tax money!!!
re: Free-markets and responsibility   10/30/2009 4:38:00 PM
- man your nomanclature is off: 'liberal socialists' - what in the world is that? must be a brand of politics born here in the US by DNA experiments on the table of Rush Liebaugh or what? "God gave us freedom and free will" mabybe true, but for sure man was also with greed, militarism and arrogance ... a full load of has blessed the US since the years of Reagan and grown mightily up to the hubris of the W-Cheney torture team ... so stop blaming BHO - GOP members have lost all rights to critize current politics before the political & moral dirt of their last administration has not been taken care of!
Government  10/30/2009 6:10:00 PM
Why is it always the governments fault? Put in a republican and its their fault, put in a democrat and its their fault. Why don't we blame the real culprit and that is the greed that the "free" market has created. I wouldn't say its completely the workers fault either. When they see the execs taking home millions, its clear that they would like to have some of that also. Lets first trim the fat off the execs, then worry about the little guys.
Re: Re: Free-markets and responsibility   10/30/2009 8:59:00 PM
Whoa.....easy there bud....you are dangerously close to being able to string together a coherent sentence! Where did I say anything postive about the GOP? I'm as disgusted with them as you apparently are, but likely for different reasons. My point is that NOBODY can claim the moral high ground in this situation. Until we all learn to be responsible with the freedoms and free-market principles upon which this country was founded, and for which our forefathers fought and died, we will continue to lose those freedoms to an every growing government bureacracy. If big companies hadn't abused their freedoms by treating workers poorly, we wouldn't need the unions to use the workers hard earned dues to pour billions into the campaign coffers of those politicians who promise to give them great enough power to now hold those same companies hostage. It's a vicious circle of greed and power grabbing that MUST be broken, or things will NEVER change. Perhaps one way we could have begun to dismantle that cycle would have been to let GM fail. Start over, learn from the past, be a responsible employer, be a responsible employee, respect the freedom that has been given you. Please don't bury your head in the sand and ignore whats right in front of you.
Last outpost for unions-Government  10/30/2009 9:26:00 PM
The last place for Union members to reside will be government. Bring on the Chinese, Korean, and Indian cars! Maybe we will even have to outsource government!
I wanted to buy another Ford  10/30/2009 9:49:00 PM
But it has to be competitively priced. With higher labor and a heavy debt load, Ford might not be competitive. As for future bankruptcy, don't expect the Fed to rescua anyone when the economy is somewhat recovered, liquidation is more likely. Too bad for the retirees too in that case.
Know What You Are Talking About  10/31/2009 8:15:00 AM
I am a former Auto worker. I see a lot of negative comments regarding the UAW posted on this site, some are well deserved. Before I went to work in an auto plant I shared those negative views, but changed my mind quickly after working there. There is an atmosphere of aggression from the company present and the union simply responds to that aggression. It's a dog eat dog relationship. The union is not completely innocent here, but get a lot more negative press than is deserved. There needs to be a change of heart from the companies before the unions will ever back off.
Yes "Losers"  11/2/2009 6:49:00 AM
I agree with "Losers": dump them all, open another facility, hire non-union labor. There are people out there that actually WANT to work! If you don't like what Ford is offering, then flip patties at McDonald's or round up carts at your local grocery store.
Plenty of Fault to go around  11/2/2009 10:18:00 AM
The fact is that although the auto companies were barred from becoming monopolies, (remember when GM had 60% of the market and was being threatened with breakup as a monopoly?) the unions were given an exemption by congress. That is where the whole "pattern contract" nonsense came from. The auto executives failed to control the unions, but congress skewed the free market balance between them so that the companies were at a disadvantage. The unions HAD more power so they USED more power. What else would you expect? It was not until the foreign auto companies came here and avoided the unions that the market started to strike at the entrenched monolopy (the union) via the entire industry they dominated. The root of this problem is the anti-trust exemption given to the unions. In other words, as usual, the problem was caused by the government.
Re: Plenty  11/2/2009 1:16:00 PM
Well said Plenty! Until people start to understand what happens when the government tinkers with the free-market, things will get much worse before they get better. The entire housing bubble and ensuing financial collaspe is a case in point. Spend some time studying the history of the HUD, OFHEO, Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, and the House and Senate Banking Committee hearings on Fannie and Freddie from the late 80's onward if you want proof. Ask the folks who bought homes, but couldn't really afford them what they think of Barney Frank and friends now. Interesting how the politicians distort the free-market system by pushing agendas that will get them re-elected, and then turn around and tell you that the system itself is broken and the government and their friends will have to fix it.
Balance  11/2/2009 5:29:00 PM
Right on "Plenty" and "Re: plenty" For most of our woes, the government itself is the real criminal. Re: Unions. I think a balance between companies and unions is reasonable. My dad was a union painter and I'm sure he made more than some hack hired off the street, BUT I never saw anyone paint faster or more carefully than he did. In short, he made more but HE GAVE MORE. My big difficulty is the adversarial relationship between the unions and the company. The unions basically offer the company NOTHING. They only take. On the other hand, the company sometimes seems bent of squeezing the last bit of blood out of it's workers. I probably sound like Pollyanna, but seems to me that when the unions bargain, they should be looking to what they can do for the company and it's profits first, then asking for something in return first. The arcane job rules, etc. that unions have negotiated offer the company nothing. Unions should be concerned for the well-being of their company as well as for their members. Then the leaders need to do a better job of educating the members to the needs of the company.
It's not a problem...  11/3/2009 11:39:00 AM
Just move the jobs to a right to work state. With 10% to 17% unemployment, there should be plenty of people wanting to pick up those 'unwanted' union jobs.
Ford union vote  11/4/2009 3:12:00 PM
I agree 100% with Fine Bunch of. When we bash the unions we are bashing the American worker. You can bet the corporate leaders aren't giving as much percentage wise back to the company as average worker is. The average worker can no longer trust their management to do the right thing for the company you can see that from the mess they're in financially. This wasn't all caused by the average worker it's called corporate greed. I'm sure the CEO of Ford is living quite nicely on his 17.7 million a year. Think about that the next time you bash the average working stiff!
Unions  11/4/2009 5:46:00 PM
I have driven fords for 38 years with only two exceptions. My last 7 vehicles have been fords. If the UAW forces Ford into bancruptcy and Obama gives them partial ownership like they did GM, I will change to Honda. Keep it up unions! Send your jobs overseas, then tell me how you are strengthening the middle class!
To Bash or Not to Bash  11/5/2009 2:13:00 PM
While I'm definitely not a Union supporter. There seems to be a lot of Union bashing going on, with very little supporting evidence. It seems like from the article didn't provide much information on what the contract changes are. To be fair to the Union, are the contract changes being punitive just because Mangagement has the opportunity to extract some concessions at this time? Hhmm? Inquiring minds want to know more.


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