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Chrysler Plans To Revamp Dodge Car Brand
By Dee-Ann Durbin and Tom Krisher, AP Auto Writers
Manufacturing.Net - November 04, 2009

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AUBURN HILLS, Mich. (AP) -- Chrysler plans to revamp its struggling Dodge car brand under a new turnaround plan and says the company's cash has grown by nearly $2 billion since it exited bankruptcy protection in June.

Under the plan, the automaker aims to introduce four new Dodges by 2013 and put new exteriors, interiors and engines on most of its current lineup. The new Dodges include a mid-size sedan for the North American market designed by Fiat SpA, the Italian automaker that now owns 35 percent of Chrysler.

That sedan is a key component of Chrysler LLC's five-year overhaul, which is being outlined here Wednesday. Chrysler currently lacks a competitive product in the segment, the largest in the U.S. car market.

But it will be tough to win back U.S. consumers, who are skeptical of Chrysler's quality. The automaker's sales are down sharply this year as a weak U.S. economy curbs overall demand for autos and buyers flee to other brands.

The 84-year-old Chrysler lost upward of $8 billion last year and would have run out of cash had the U.S. government not stepped in with $15.5 billion in aid. Chrysler was forced into bankruptcy protection earlier this year.

Chrysler CEO Sergio Marchionne said Wednesday the automaker's cash has grown by $1.7 billion since it exited Chapter 11 this summer and totaled $5.7 billion at the end of September. He also said Chrysler was breaking even in that month.

Chairman C. Robert Kidder said the company intends to go public and repay its loans "with all deliberate speed."

But the automaker will also need to offer better cars to improve its fortunes. Chrysler's current mid-size offerings are the Sebring and Dodge Avenger, which sell poorly and have received low marks from Consumer Reports and others.

Sebring sales were down 71 percent during the first 10 months of this year, while Avenger sales were off 45 percent. The Auburn Hills-based company has sold only 44,000 of both models combined, far short of the 294,493 Camrys sold by Toyota, the top-selling car in the U.S.

Another key to Chrysler's revival is whether it can tackle quality problems. Doug Betts, senior vice president of quality, said that work is under way.

He said the company has been restructured so the 14 teams focusing on specific areas act quickly to resolve problems.

When he arrived late in 2007, it took 71 days for someone to begin working on a problem, so the Chrysler's ability to raise its quality fell behind rivals.

"Seventy-one days goes to zero days," Betts said.

Fiat has plans to replace most of Chrysler's engines with its own. Paolo Ferrero, senior vice president of powertrain, said the number of Chrysler-designed engines will drop to 12 percent by 2014 from 84 percent currently, with many larger engines replaced by smaller, four-cylinder ones.


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Fiats plan for new 4 cylinder vehicle engines  11/4/2009 4:44:00 PM
Its plain and simple that people in the USA will not be buying 4 cylinder cars unless gas prices go back up to 4 to 5 bucks a gallon. Especially when V6 cars can get over 30MPG and higher with the use of turbo chargers.
Four-bangers not good for minivans...  11/4/2009 4:47:00 PM
When Chrysler came out with the caravan/voyager/Town and Country minivans in 1984, they used the 4 cylender Mitsubishi for the power plant. It was too underpowered for the minivan, and was subsequently replaced in later models with a 6 cylender that ran smoother, and at a lower idle speed. That gave it the durability to hold up to the minivan's unique user requirements. What chrysler really needs to do is to put in a variable engine that uses six to get up to speed, and when hauling, and then steps down to four cylenders for steady state on the highway. with the possibility of user control for hills and such.
four-banger in minivan  11/4/2009 4:59:00 PM
I had a 2001 Caravan with a 4-cyl engine that held up just fine until I dumped it at 150,000 miles. It had enough guts to do 90 across New Mexico. But, it was the only thing about that car that was adequate.
A Fiat by any other name is a Yugo.  11/4/2009 5:00:00 PM
That's right. A little paint and a little putty will make the little engine go faster.....
4 cylinders  11/4/2009 5:03:00 PM
Looks like I will not be buying another Dodge. My wife thought buying a 4 cyl. Journey would be more economical than the V-6. Try as I might, I couldn't talk her out of it. Just did a road trip in the thing (1230 miles) and the four banger got a "stellar" 22.6 MPG. My 1966 Mustang 289 4BBL did just as well on a road trip of 1350 miles!
Hey Dodge...  11/4/2009 5:09:00 PM
Give us a Challenger that's the size of a '67 Camaro with a smaller Hemi V8 and a stick. That'll make me happy.
Fiat reinventing Dodge for the future  11/4/2009 5:17:00 PM
It would make sense to convert the Dodge line to all electric and keep the Chrysler brand gasoline if they are going to shake the Dodge poor image. Of course they will need battery swap and advanced aerodynamics to pull this off as well as aircraft construction methods.
4 cylinders a waste  11/4/2009 5:30:00 PM
I have had Cadillacs and GM 3.8L turbo cars that have gotten near 30 mpg on the hiway. My current 3.3L Chrysler minivan gets 25 on hiway trips. The only time 4 cylinders are worth the trouble is if you are doing a lot of in-town, stop and go, short trip driving (which I don't). Anyone who does primarily hiway driving and buys a 4 cyl compact to get another 2 mpg is a masochist and most likely needs therapy.
Chrysler Fiat  11/4/2009 5:31:00 PM
"From the frying pan into the fire!"
Chrysler 4 Bangers  11/4/2009 5:38:00 PM
I got a Sebring for rental a couple of years ago. I drove it a couple of days, thinking it was a V6. It had just as much power as my old Cutlass V6,maybe more. I was shocked when I raised the hood and saw it was a 4 banger. The previous poster is right though, mileage isn't any better than a small V8. Guess if you pour enough fuel through a 4 banger it will perform, but at a cost most are not willing to pay.
Bring back the Colt Vista  11/4/2009 5:55:00 PM
it was a 4 banger Micro-Van also known as the Eagle Summit Wagon, i loved mine. as well as My Raider 4 banger. I got 35 MPG or better on the Vans and 22 on the raider
Colt Vista wago 4 banger  11/4/2009 6:03:00 PM
Mitsu Expo/eagle Summit was a 4 banger Mico Van. I have had all 3 in my delivery buisness that lasted 44K miles each at 35 MPG or better
US muscle  11/4/2009 6:27:00 PM
Hey you Italians keep your fingers of the Hemi V-8 and Viper V-10. Capice.
V8"Guzzler(?)"  11/4/2009 6:28:00 PM
My 2004 Mustang GT Conv w/4.6FI+4spdOD gets 24mpg cruising at 70mph, overall 19 or better (I could make it get less, of course). Daily commuter city/highway + weekend cruiser in PNW mountains.
Dodge is a Dodge  11/4/2009 6:34:00 PM
Dodge. Now what image does that conjure up in the mind of today's younger new car buyer? Hey! After looking at Dodge, let's go check out the new Buicks! Naw, I'm an Opel man. Sure, the Viper is a Dodge but how many people could even identify a Viper? Get real for once, Chrysler. Chrysler is never going to be a player. They can't get the most important part right: QUALITY. Ask about quality and they'll DODGE the question. And the sad part is, they should be the BEST able to execute because they are the smallest. Nimble? Not if they plan to imitate GM.
Fiats 4 cylinders  11/4/2009 11:15:00 PM
Well, It depends on whether the engine suits the vehicle. I'm driving a 90 Civic DX hatch with 1.5liter. At 2600lbs, it's not a soda-can car, but the engine and transmission match the car weight. It's fun to drive, neither over or under-powered. I've driven a 4-cyl Dodge. Could Fiat be stupid enough to try it again? They might; there's no underestimating the obtuseness of the head office.
Chrysler Sales  11/5/2009 7:00:00 AM
I think one of the biggest factors in Chryslers slumping sales is simply the fact that people are un sure if Chrysler is going to be around next year or the year after.. So they dont want to invest thier money on a product that may have no backing.
Re: 4 cylinders  11/5/2009 8:05:00 AM
Your '66 mustang V8 also weighed a bit less than the journey, and had much less wind resistance and also less rolling resistance from smaller tires. I'm no advocate for Dodge, but let's face it: Fiat is currently a sophisticated european company with its hand in the Ferrari / Maserati operation among others. Their cars are a whole lot better than they used to be. Even Mercedes was remembered for awhile by its slow, smoky (albeit reliable) diesels. Right now Fiat's technology is at a far better level than Chrysler's, so they will only stand to benefit. And don't think all Chry products will be powered by 4-cylinders.
Journey  11/5/2009 8:08:00 AM
The Dodge Journey 6 cylinder is a great car. I've enjoyed it thoroughly. Plus, the HEMI Durango we drive just sails down the highway. What a car! I can't imagine going to a smaller engine on either. This isn't Italy.
Fiat + Chrysler does not =Quality  11/5/2009 8:39:00 AM
Fix It Again Tony is only going to make crappy Chrysler quality worse. Chrysler's sales are down because they have poor quality in every product they make. Looks will only sell a car for a few months, quality is what will make people return to buy another. What Chrysler should do is buy power trains, frames and interiors from Honda/Toyota and re-skin them. Then they might have a chance.
There is a whole lot more to  11/5/2009 9:00:00 AM
selecting the correct drive train for a vehicle than counting the number of cylinders in the engine. Selection of the proper transmission and gearing is equally (if not more) important. First of all, you must understand that I am not an "automatic transmission" kind of person. I have always liked the ability to "run through the gears" as I see fit. That being said, I must also admit to finding an automatic transmission design that I REALLY like. I recently purchased a Nissan Altima 2.5S with a continuously variable automatic transmission (CVT). I understand that this technology is available also on some Ford products. The transmission has no set transfer ratios, as with 4-speed, 5-speed, etc. automatic transmissions. Instead, the computer can dial the transmission up to one of literally hundreds of available ratios between "low" and "high". In the highest available ratio, the vehicle gets about 33mph per thousand engine RPM. The MPH/1KRPM is a significant figure of merit and should be something anyone test driving a motor vehicle should seek to determine. In general, smaller engines do not do as well in heavier vehicles as larger engines. It is simple dynamics ... the smaller engine must work harder in a larger vehicle. I also had 1966 Mustang (GT) with the 225HP 289 and a 4-speed. It got right at 30MPH/1KRPM and, when driven intelligently, would get around 25MPG. My Altima certainly will not match the acceleration performance of my old Mustang, but it performs as well as (if not better than) many V-6 vehicles that I have tested. The programming of the control processor the transmission is superb ... it gets to the highest possible ratio early and and often, yet is very smooth. The last long-distance trip (city and highway driving) had the vehicle logging just under 35MPG. I guess the jury is still out on the durability of the design. However, despite its newness as an automotive application, the technology has been around in some form or other for decades (hydraulic pumps and motors). It will be interesting to see if Fiat adapts the technology to Chrysler product line. I know quite a few people who have Chrysler products and many of them have had transmission problems of various kinds. I'm not trying to sell anyone on any particular brand of vehicle. I would, however, strongly advise anyone who is considering a vehicle purchase (and who wants an automatic transmission) to test drive several vehicles with CVTs. I think you will be surprised ... I know I was.
AutomobileQuality  11/5/2009 10:41:00 AM
I have bought Chrysler/Dodge/Plymouth/Chevrolet products for many years with very satisfactory quality.I have had unsatisfactory quality with Pontiac and Volkswagon. My biggest concern is the cost and availability of the type of automobile I want. For 2003 no American manufacturer provided an economical station wagon with acceptable size and interior ergonomics. Foreign station wagons were too small and too expensive. I did not want a minivan or crossover. Consequently I purchased a 4 cylinder Toyota Camry sedan because of the attractive financial offer and quality reports. I get 25 to 28 mpg with city driving and 33 to 36 mpg with highway driving. However, I have had to get new brakes at 20,000 miles, a new serpentine belt at 38,000 miles and have had three emission leaks until I had the gas filler line and gas cap replaced at 62,000 miles. The point I want to make is that your perception of quality depends on your experience with a specific automobile.
fiat engines  11/5/2009 11:05:00 AM
Matching the right engine for the job is what counts. I,ve driven a civic, a Vista-wagon, a Focus wagon and now a Acurs TSX- all were 4 bangers that did all I ask of them. I also have always also had trucks most with v8 a couple with inline 6s that I only use when I,m hauling a load- I do not use something that can move a whole load of goods plus pull a loaded trailer just to drive to the quick shop for a soda. Most people drive way too much of a vehicle.
Quality or reliability  11/5/2009 11:15:00 AM
Dosen't dodge mean to avoid
to buy or not tobuy  11/5/2009 12:01:00 PM
Build a car totally in the U.S. and make it reliable and I will buy two. With all the outsourcing I see no future for this country.
new 4 cylinder vehicle engines  11/5/2009 12:28:00 PM
For a long time I had opinions about engines for Chrysler products. Ideally, I would like to see a four cylinder Hemi engine. This in my opinion would be the best compromise of economy, low maintenance and robust performance. Any two of these without the other is, in my opinion, worthless. If the same Hemi head from the V8 is used on the four cylinder, that would save tooling costs. If a single or dual overhead cam design is used in the new engines (for Chrysler products) than, do it right! No oil leaks due to complicated gasket seals. No RPM limits (below 5000 RPM) due to poorly designed or weak timing chain. DO NOT drive the water pump, or any other accessory, with the timing chain. This includes the oil pump, which in cold weather, due to thick oil, would load the timing chain beyond reasonable limits. One thing Dodge done that I thought was smart, is on the new 2.4L engines was to have variable advance on both overhead cams. With a 10.5 to 1 compression ratio, closing of the intake valve can be delayed to artificially reduce compression ratio. This provides reduced fuel consumption while permitting use of regular (non-hi test) gasoline. And, also provides excellent power! That’s smart! To recap, I would like to see a four cylinder engine with good fuel economy, low maintenance and robust performance. The voice of one customer (WPC club member).
I'm done w/MOPAR  11/5/2009 3:21:00 PM
I have a 01 Ram Van, Many headaches with the HVAC vac leaks. Went to change spark plugs at 60K miles, plugs snapped , had to have all 8 drilled out BIG $$. Still has old tech distributor. In first year front end alignment so bad failed inspection. Dealer told me that was between me and the conversion company.They sold me the conversion van ! So much for 5 star service. They had been building this van for decades, I figured the bugs were worked out, not just ignored , shame on me.
Quality  11/5/2009 3:35:00 PM
I’m confused, My last 2 vehicles have been, an 2007 Chrysler 300C SRT8 and a 2008 Ford Taurus Limited. As you can see I’m not brand particular. I buy what I like or need at the time I buy it. My Chrysler and Ford both have about the same mileage. I do my own service in regards to Filter and fluid changes. I cut my filters and these new engines are amazing, No dirt, no cuttings, no casting chunk, no bearing material, no fines? It almost makes you wonder why there are even filters there. The Chrysler has not been to a dealer, there’s nothing wrong with it, I have not had any issues at all with it at all. The Ford has been to the dealer 4 times now for seat heater, and seat memory issues. Both cars sat in a hail storm, no marks on the Chrysler, and you guessed it, dents all over the Ford. The wheels are rusting on the Ford. The Ford is one of the better riding, quiet cars I have driven. I don’t like it’s on center steering, but that is probably just my preference. I do travel some and have recently rented a Nissan (Junk) If you gave me one, I would sell it right away, a Chevy Malibu (Great car) The next to the worst car I have driven recently was a Camry. As far as Chrysler I have owned a new 1970 Duster, 1983 Colt, a 1972 Fury, and a 1993 Dakota pickup No regrets with any of these vehicles (I pulled a 24 foot Gooseneck with the Dakota (V6 with 3.91 gears) and never had any issues with this vehicle, it had 172,000 miles when I sold it. I had a used 1976 Caravan and again no issues, just changed filters and fluids, 91,000 miles. So I’m sorry I just don’t get this poor quality Chrysler propaganda. I think that when it’s all said and done Chrysler will be one of the stronger car manufactures in the US. Oil supplies are not increasing. Car sales in China will probably exceed sales is the US, plus India’s market is growing. As the economy improves there is going to be more competition for gas than ever. I’m sure $4.00 to $6.00 a gallon gas is going to be, with in the next 3 to 4 years. Guess when Fiat/ Chrysler will be putting the newly designed cars into the market
Fiat vs Mitsubshi  11/5/2009 4:36:00 PM
If Chrysler has to sell us out to foreign sources, I think Fiat is definatly the better choice. Just follow a 4 cylinder Caravan and watch the plumes of blue smoke coming out the tailpipe and you know what I mean. Mitsubshi just isn't a good power source and lets hope Fiat can come to the rescue.
Caravan  11/6/2009 9:41:00 AM
We had a 1989 caravan with a 3.0 and had enough power, got 27+ mpg on the road. We liked it enough to buy a 1995 caravan, with a 3.1. The mpg drop about 1 mpg. WE almost have 200m on it. Both vans have been great for the family.
Chrysler/Dodge Quality  11/10/2009 2:00:00 PM
Had one Dodge truck, rusted through in two years..Dodge said owner must not have dried it after washing?!? Finally fixed after I threatened lawsuit. Then one year later tranny went south...no warranty and well over $1200 to fix. Traded on Chevy..no more problems.. Fool me once....
Chrysler 300M is terrible  11/10/2009 2:06:00 PM
I have had too many problems with my Chrysler 300m, that I can not even begin to list. No wonder they took the bailout money. Never again will I by Chrysler.
Poor service  11/10/2009 2:38:00 PM
Dishonesty at service. It is not the vehicle; it is the dealerships – rotten to the core with ultra poor service.


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